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[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m Yeah, I've been reading about data-flow analysis all day.[0m
[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m Progress is going pretty slow.[0m
[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m since I don't really understand liveness analysis that clearly from a previous chapter.[0m
[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m specifically in/out and that iterative means of computing them.[0m
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[1;30m* [1;33mFare/#Tunes [0mis in contact with people to make a TUNES startup[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m hm[0m
[1;34m<[0mFare[1;34m>[0m any help with making 1) a business plan and 2) a development schedule are welcome[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m VC's?[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m or what kind of people are interested?[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m besides, how can you schedule development if it hinges on some research?[0m
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[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m hmm... that means you get to officially market tunes vaporware?[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m np just wondering what the situation is[0m
[1;34m<[0mFare[1;34m>[0m eihrul: sure -- why not?[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m its working for Amiga, Inc.[0m
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[1;34m<[0mFare[1;34m>[0m eihrul: of course, the goal is to make it no more vapor[0m
[1;34m<[0mFare[1;34m>[0m coreyr: unless you find funding for me somewhere else...[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m Fare: by paying people with actual work ethic to do something? :)[0m
[1;34m<[0mFare[1;34m>[0m I know the tax structure is particularly bad in France, indeed[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m can you hire people living in other countries?[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m i mean without taxes and stuff[0m
[1;34m<[0mFare[1;34m>[0m with sufficient funding, yes[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m hm[0m
[1;34m<[0mFare[1;34m>[0m if I can find american funding, it could be put in a mirror company to evade french taxes.[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m should you be saying that logged?[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m heh[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m i dunno if france has an IRS counterpart :)[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m all you need is to make up a fud word like ApplicationMorphing, hype it up, and you'll get American capital[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m yeah[0m
[1;34m<[0mwashort[1;34m>[0m better yet[0m
[1;34m<[0mwashort[1;34m>[0m hire linus torvalds[0m
[1;34m<[0mFare[1;34m>[0m coreyr: why not?[0m
[1;34m<[0mwashort[1;34m>[0m ;)[0m
[1;34m<[0mFare[1;34m>[0m fsck the french IRS![0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m Fare: does your country have tax officials with guns?[0m
[1;34m<[0mFare[1;34m>[0m I'd rather hire Ken Dickey[0m
[1;34m<[0mFare[1;34m>[0m coreyr: no, but tax officials could equivalently ask the police to go to your home, although before they ever need do that, they can get your money directly from your bank.[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m well, you can float rumors that you're going to hire Linus[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m will have same effect[0m
[1;34m<[0mFare[1;34m>[0m I know for sure that Linus isn't interested in TUNES.[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m its a joke[0m
[1;34m<[0mFare[1;34m>[0m (or at least wasn't, 3 years ago)[0m
[1;34m<[0mwashort[1;34m>[0m Fare: i'd be surprised if he was[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m well, seeing as he was interesting in propagating 30 year old operating system designs...[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m s/interesting/interested[0m
[1;34m<[0mwashort[1;34m>[0m well, at least we now have one more usable, free OS. *shrug* :)[0m
[1;34m<[0mFare[1;34m>[0m anyway.[0m
[1;34m<[0mFare[1;34m>[0m 3053 now. Be seing you![0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m night[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m hm[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m washort: we have 3053 billion of them[0m
[1;34m<[0mwashort[1;34m>[0m eihrul: hm. i kinda doubt it[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m okay, well, somewhere in between there and 100[0m
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[1;34m<[0mwashort[1;34m>[0m maybe 3053, but 3053e9? nah[0m
[1;34m<[0mwashort[1;34m>[0m whois Downix [0m
[1;34m<[0mwashort[1;34m>[0m oops. [0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m give it time[0m
[1;34m<[0mwashort[1;34m>[0m eihrul: the only even-close-to-comprehensive list of OSes i've seen is the TUNES OS Review page --[0m
[1;34m<[0mwashort[1;34m>[0m yeah, in time we'll have OSes that' Don't Suck[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m for every one on the tunes list, you can find atleast 10 more unlisted[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m yep[0m
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[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m i dunno what your talking about[0m
[1;34m<[0mhcf[1;34m>[0m lynx http://eirene.onezerosix.net/cgi-bin/s-index.pl[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m i dunno what your talking about[0m
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[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m eh?[0m
[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m Hello[0m
[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m eihrul I was just hanging out at Usenix. ;-)[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m hey[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m ircers, ircers, everywhere... nor a discussion to speak of >:)[0m
[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m eihrul Well, I've met a bunch of cool people at the convention including a Linux kernel dev.[0m
[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m saw Stephen Tweedie, etc... but didn't say high to them.[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m well, linux kernel devs are a dime a dozen :)[0m
[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m Well, kind of, but overall they're pretty sharp.[0m
[1;34m<[0mult[1;34m>[0m no[0m
[1;34m<[0mult[1;34m>[0m they aren't[0m
[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m Apparently there's only about 8 or so key devs that do major changes to the code tree.[0m
[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m The minor folks are largely device driver folks, etc...[0m
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[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m Yeah, all this material is pretty tough to learn. I had a pretty good compilers conversation at dinner with two folks I met at Usenix. ;-)[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m cool[0m
[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m primarily talking about how GCC is going to need changes to deal with the Itanium.[0m
[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m I was going to bring a book to read there but I've been in conversations continuously since I got there.[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m gcc is rotting...[0m
[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m All technical and relatively interesting.[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m it just needs to be thrown out :)[0m
[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m Yeah, folks know that and are trying to get around those problems.[0m
[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m Yeah, we talked about that too. ;-)[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m anyway, its an icky C compiler[0m
[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m Yeah, it's a useful compiler though and it's use as the primary compiler for all the Open Source stuff.[0m
[1;34m<[0mult[1;34m>[0m er[0m
[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m ...so I can't really bag on it too much.[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m for a C compiler, it is good[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m but well... as for C...[0m
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[1;34m<[0mbillh[1;34m>[0m It's just a static compiler.[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m primarily intended to compile C[0m
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[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m hi eric[0m
[1;34m<[0meric_[1;34m>[0m hello[0m
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[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m hey[0m
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