IRC log started Fri Sep 10 00:00:02 1999
[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0910
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<hcf> abi?
<abi> hcf?
<hcf> abi: INTRAN is at http://www.triumf.ca/intran/html/intran.html
<hcf> abi: forget intran
<abi> hcf: I forgot intran
05:40am
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!devlin.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT jordan.openprojects.net 8005 from ^lilo
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<beholder> hey all
<hcf> hoy
<beholder> hcf: How are you today?
<hcf> fine i guess
<beholder> hcf: Aren't you in school right now?
<hcf> no
10:40am
<beholder> Hmm.. fare changed his nick? :)
<beholder> What the hell is a net burst?
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<liar> qzx.com now offers free web based email
02:20pm
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<eihrul> los
02:50pm
<liar> eihrul: i have web based email accounts on qzx.com now
<eihrul> what is qzx.com supposed to be?
<liar> my domain
<eihrul> behind the domain...
<eihrul> why are you providing web based email accounts?
<liar> just because :)
<liar> it has technical crap on it, programming info, pcgpe, brix, and hardware shit
<liar> hmm, i think this piece of crap email thing uses java
<liar> oh and if yer trying to go there now dont bother
<eihrul> i'm not
<liar> one of the servers crashed and has to be restored from backup and the other server cant handle the load so it takes 2 minutes to load pages
<liar> wow IE is even more useless than netscape right now. netscape will timeout in like 1min while ie timesout in about 30secs
03:00pm
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<Beholder> Hey Tril
<Tril> heh.. someone installed that java web mail thing on bespin and it sat there using up all the CPU when no one was even logged on
<Beholder> Heheh.  Sick.
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<Beholder> I think Java is one of the motivations for making new OS's with truly portable Apps, that run native :)
05:20pm
<Tril> is there gpm for freebsd? (or equivalent)
06:00pm
<Beholder> I'm not sure :(
<Beholder> Check their page out, in all honesty I'm not familar with the licencing shemes other than "Pay" and "Don't Pay" :)
<Tril> GPM = the mouse copy-past thing for text mode
<Tril> what it have to do with license?
<Beholder> Oh... hehe sorry I read GPL :)
<Beholder> Need to make the font bigger :)
<Beholder> Yes there is a GPM for it :)
<Tril> this is 6x13 font on 15" monitor
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<Tril> this is 6x13 font on 15" monitor
<Beholder> Ouch, I have to use a 9x16 minium on my 15" @1024x768... 
<Tril> oh yeah, i'm at 1024 too
<Beholder> Well, my eyes are worse I guess :(
<Tril> more likely the dot pitch.
<Beholder> Are you thinking of trying FreeBSD?
<Tril> actually i'm running it on the box next to me
<Tril> it was already on the hard drive
<Beholder> Hmm... it didn't ask you during install for GPM?
<Beholder> What ver are you installing?
<Tril> 3.2-RELEASE is installed. How do I install gpm? is it in Ports?
<Beholder> Nope I think it's in the BIN distro
<Beholder> One sec I'll check
06:10pm
<Beholder> You config it in rc.conf
<Beholder> man rc.conf
<Beholder> comes with the system
<Beholder> or run /stand/sysinstall
<Beholder> Should be there too
<Tril> nope cant find it in the package selection 
<Tril> it's not in /usr/sbin
<Tril> either
<Beholder> Hmm... I run 3.2-STABLE 99/08/09
<Beholder> Oh, that's why ... It's called moused
<Beholder>  moused -p /dev/cuaa0 -t mouseman  (straight out of my ps -aux)
<Tril> well you said it was called gpm
06:20pm
<Tril> hmm moused is running but I can't see a cursor
<Beholder> You have to specify the proper port and protocol
<Beholder> Sorry, I thought it was called GPM also :)
<Beholder> Works the same way :)
<Beholder> Did it detect your  network card without a recompile?
<Tril> yeah
<Beholder> Mine too, which is amazing considering mine is a POS :)
<Tril> the mouse worked .. moused got loaded by /stand/sysinstall when i went to Configure Mouse. and I saw a cursor. But it went away as soon as I left that menu.
<Tril> ok I got it
<Tril> vidcontrol -m on
<Beholder> Kewl :)
<Beholder> What?
<Beholder> What does that do?
<Tril> turns on the mouse pointer
<Beholder> Ahh :)
<Tril> ahh heck
<Beholder> What now?
<Tril> i have to type it in each virtal console
<Beholder> put in in an rc file :)
<Beholder> What type of mouse are you using?  Mine is just a stock serial logitech
<Tril> logitech firstmouse it's in PS/2 port now
<Beholder> Hmm... that should work.  
<Beholder> What type of video card?
<Tril> oh well, i'll just put vidcontrol -m on in my login script
<Beholder> Sounds right.  But I'd still reccomend reading up on the rc.conf man page
06:30pm
<Beholder> If you have a fast connection you can use the ports collection to get everything.
<Tril> what do they call the format command in freebsd?
<Tril> oh yeah newfs I forgot
<Beholder> Yep :)
06:40pm
<Beholder> Whew... My laptop got messed with an unstable program and for a second I thought the NAT had crashed on the server :)  
<Beholder> I'm happy with FreeBSD so far, it's just as stable as Linux, and I find it easier to use.  
<Beholder> Tril:  Could you send me your current copy of your rc.conf, I toasted mine a long time ago and had to rebuild it by hand and I think I'm missing some things :(
<Tril> uhh... it's not very long
<Tril> adding mouse stuff like doubled the size
<Beholder> Oh, no big deal then
<Tril> i will as soon as i turn te machine back on i'm putting in a working floppy drive
<Beholder> BTW:  Never get rid of the line that configs the lo0 interface... uggh... 
06:50pm
<Tril> is that of any use??
<Beholder> Yep, just confirms I did it right :)
<Beholder> You have a router in there?
<Tril> what about it?
<Beholder> Just curious :)  I wasn't sure if frame relay used routers, or if it was necessary to specify it
<Tril> i'm not an expert in networking, so I don't really know
<Beholder> Have you done any work on your documents?
<Tril> not lately
<Beholder> Since last time I asked I mean?
<Tril> ?
<Beholder> Too busy, or lack of motivation?
<Tril> i dont know, the latest is at http://www.tunes.org/~dem/tunes/specs/
<Beholder> Hehe, if you use KDE it can randomly switch backgrounds at a specified interval :)
<Tril> i can program that too
<Tril> if only i had some backgrounds
<Tril> it uses the blank X background now
<Beholder> Hmm... get the ones that come with KDE if you can, it's a bunch of JPEG's... all very nice.  
07:00pm
<Beholder> I tried that XWin-32, I got an error DPMS not suported... any clue?
<Tril> sure yio dont mean XDMCP?
<Beholder> Yeah I use XDMCP to find the server (it's not my machine, I tried it at school)
<Tril> what gave you the error?
<Beholder> They run KDE on Mandrake, so I have no clue what type of setup the X is using
<Beholder> I think it was KDE that gave me the error.
<Beholder> Won't load after that
<Tril> why wont my ctrl-O key work in freebsd hmm
<Tril> is it special somehow?
<Beholder> ctrl-o?  What do you use it for? 
<Beholder> 
<Beholder> works for me
<Tril> pico 
<Tril> save without exiting
<Beholder> Hmm... Lemme try
<Beholder> Oh, I use EE not pico
<Beholder> I'll have to get it from ports
<Beholder> It shouldn't be bound though
<Tril> is there a way to see what keys are "bound" whatever that is
07:10pm
<Beholder> Hmm... not that I know :(
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07:20pm
<Beholder> hey
07:30pm
<Tril> hmm this phone plays music
<Beholder> Hehe
<Beholder> Still setting it up?  Good conversations goin on in FreeBSD chan on effnet
<Tril> i accidentally started it playing music and had to figure out how to turn it off
<Beholder> Really helpfull people
<Tril> no i'm working
<Beholder> :) hehe
<Tril> it
<Tril> it's setup fine for now
<Beholder> What are you working on?
<Tril> perl  ...
<Tril> db files...
<Tril> it's all the virtual email addresses for our customers
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<Tril> i'm converting the db from smail format to postfix mailer
<Tril> they both use berkeley hash files just slightly differnet format inside the hash file
07:40pm
<Beholder> Ahh, sounds useful :)
<Beholder> Many customers?
<Tril> about 1500 I think
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<pyro> heh.. I'm reading the old RFC's
<pyro> how things have stayed the same..
<Beholder> pyro: They sure have :)  Technology doesn't progess it just gets more expensive to make :)
<pyro> s/more/less/
<Beholder> No just the crap is less expensive.
08:00pm
<pyro> the hardware is better, the software ain't
<pyro> heh.. they used to have RFC's like "Mr. X is won't be at the network working group meeting today because he's ill"
<pyro> or "dammit my connection costs $500 a day!"
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<Tril> hi
<hcf> hi
08:10pm
<pyro> later
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08:20pm
<liar> Tril: what java web mail thing?
<Tril> i think it was the filename webmail-0.5.4-binary.tar.gz
<Tril> not sure since I wasnt the one installing it
<Beholder> Tril:  I'm sorry if I'm bogging your connection, I telneted in and I'm running netscape (yours) on my machine... this is kewl :)
08:30pm
<Tril> doesn't seem to be hurting anything too much
<Beholder> Yeah, slow as hell on this end though
<Tril> i imagine so
<Beholder> Maybe I should have tested with a smaller, less complicated program
08:40pm
<Beholder> Hmm... the people in FreeBSD said that having Telnet on is really bad and I should just use SSH... 
08:50pm
<liar> yes telnet is bad
<Beholder> How is it insecure?
<liar> it allows someone to access yer machine
<Beholder> Yes, but if they don't have an account, how would they access it?
<liar> with the username/passwd of someone that DOES have an account
<Beholder> So they get the username/pass from packet filtering my connection?
<liar> they could possibly ftp the passwd file if yer ftp is insecure
<Beholder> Got that shut down too now.  I'm gonna put it on another port 
<liar> i have ftp running but not telnet
09:00pm
<Beholder> Do you use SSH?
<liar> no
<Beholder> Just sit at the terminal?
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<liar> what?
<Beholder> Do you access your machine remotely?
<liar> yes
<Beholder> How?
<liar> its a secret
<Beholder> :)
<liar> if i tell u then it will comprimise security
<Beholder> How do I restart inetd without rebooting
<liar> killall -HUP inetd 
<Beholder> think that'd kick me off the net? :)
<liar> no
<liar> i do it all the time
<Beholder> kick ass... everything shutdown :)
<Beholder> cept apache, and mysql... lots of holes :)
<liar> heh
<Beholder> Hmm I guess I gotta add ssh to my inetd.conf file
09:10pm
<Beholder> Hey that works fine now :)
<Beholder> I feel more secure 
<Beholder> How do I set FTP to work on another port?
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[msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.0911
IRC log ended Sat Sep 11 00:00:01 1999