IRC log started Mon May 24 00:00:00 1999
[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0524
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<billyboof> hello
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!xing.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT lu.openprojects.net 8005 from lilo
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* AlonzoTG/#tunes greets "Salutations timestamp!" :-)
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<tcn> hey atg..
<AlonzoTG> y0
<tcn> heh.. core fibbed a little about my xcom loader
<AlonzoTG> trying to figure out which CPU to get nekst...
<tcn> it's about half done
<tcn> what cpu's you got so far?
<AlonzoTG> damn acrobat... :(
<AlonzoTG> it keeps crashing. :((((
<AlonzoTG> 386, 486, p100
<AlonzoTG> =]
<AlonzoTG> I've had the P100 for 4 years now...
<tcn> oh
<tcn> maybe an Amiga would be nice
<tcn> 68040 or 68060..
<AlonzoTG> =\
<tcn> or an ARM or MIPS
<AlonzoTG> myps sounds kool
<AlonzoTG> ips
<AlonzoTG> searching...
<tcn> or maybe something optimized for forth.. like the F21/i21 or the PSC1000
<tcn> MIPS is what the N64 uses
06:50am
<AlonzoTG> f21 is kool
<tcn> www.dnai.com/~jfox, right?
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<billyboof> whats up
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<core> people hi
<core> (if anyone is alive)
<core> hmm, nevermind :P
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08:30am
<Fare> fgdfgdfg
09:40am
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<eStormy> hi abi
<abi> hoy, eStormy
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* AlonzoTG/#tunes greets "Salutations hcf!" :-)
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<hcf> :P
<me> hey everyone
<AlonzoTG> hi me
<me> how's it goin?
<AlonzoTG> k
<me> has anyone ever written a functional GUI?
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<me> hey freak
<lx_freak> hey me
<lx_freak> whats up here
<lx_freak> anything about linux here?
<me> i had just started thinking about how a GUI should be implemented in order to be clean
<me> i don't know what they were thinking about before i got here 
<AlonzoTG> this is OS
<AlonzoTG> not GUI
<AlonzoTG> GUI is technically a display OS 
<me> this channel is for the tunes operating system... something that intends to be hosted on linux system untill it's self hosting
<AlonzoTG> but we havn't developed the CPU OS yet...
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<me> heh
<me> that got rid of him fast :)
<AlonzoTG> om
01:30pm
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<ramanan> HI
<ramanan> any one here
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<me> i'm here
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02:00pm
<me> at least sorta...  workin on a program
02:10pm
<AlonzoTG> om
<AlonzoTG> my computer is getting FAR too many GPFs reciently ;(((((
<AlonzoTG> topick?
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<AlonzoTG> om
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<AlonzoTG> om
03:10pm
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<Unkas> hi
<Unkas> Is here somebody?
<Unkas> eehhhh
<Unkas> ok
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<HickServ> hello
* AlonzoTG/#tunes greets "Salutations HickServ!" :-)
<HickServ> buenas tardes senor grimes
<AlonzoTG> topick?
<HickServ> www.tunes.org
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<HickServ> hello
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<_QZ> hi
<abi> hoy, _QZ
<HickServ> whattup all?
<_QZ> not much
<HickServ> dat be coo :)
<_QZ> u said u would tell me yer ideas today
<HickServ> :(
<HickServ> i gotta ask fare some more about his ideas
05:10pm
<_QZ> what about his ideas?
<_QZ> i know everything about tunes
<HickServ> my ideas are based oon his
<_QZ> if yer ideas are based on his then why arent u working on tunes with them
<_QZ> ?
<HickServ> what about building objects from other objects
<HickServ> cause im selfish
<HickServ> but his idea is like 1/3 of mine
<_QZ> im gonna go eat, bbiaf
<HickServ> k
<HickServ> boing
<HickServ> hello abi
<abi> bonjour, HickServ
<HickServ> how are you abi?
<HickServ> silly bot
05:20pm
<_QZ> back
05:50pm
<HickServ> what's the best way to represent c pointers in asm?
<_QZ> uhh
<_QZ> what kinda pointer
<HickServ> int *x=&y
<_QZ> well it stores them on the stack
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<CHICHO> # Appears as DAN.
<_QZ> push value_of_y; push 4; mov ebp,esp
<_QZ> CHICHO: excuse me?
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<_QZ> x is at [ebp] and y is [ebp+4] or [ebp+[x]]
<Tril> xixo!
<Tril> he never says anything..
<_QZ> Tril: do u do any online stock crap?
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<Tril> no... maybe if I was rich
06:00pm
<_QZ> there is this punk 16 year old here in salt lake that is making 6 digits with stocks
<Tril> I know yo should be careful when doing it :)
<HickServ> heh
<Tril> lots of fake companies
<HickServ> some guy on efnet called me a no talent asm kiddie
<_QZ> and he started at like 13 with marvel comic stock that he bought himself
<Tril> Hick: Got proof ur not?
<HickServ> nope
<_QZ> HickServ: who?
<HickServ> some guy in #asm
<_QZ> hahaha
<_QZ> i use to be an op in #asm
<_QZ> but most of them are lame asses
<Tril> _QZ: Getting rich is dull. If you succeed, you just want to be richer. I opt out of the whole game
<HickServ> <HickServ> im sorry i just haven't found the need to use c like pointers in a kernel
<HickServ> <sm1th> Well fuck dude, everyone and their fucking brother is writing an OS in assembly.
<HickServ> <sm1th> So you're just one of many.
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<HickServ> <HickServ> better than c
<HickServ> <sm1th> Then you are obviously not a very talented, or knowledgable programmer.
<_QZ> sm1th is the biggest ass
<HickServ> tell me about it
<HickServ> how do you know when you push value_of_y it'l be at the bottom
<Tril> why wouldnt it
<_QZ> it doesnt matter where its at
<HickServ> you used the ebp
<Tril> ebp is the frame pointer, not the stack pointer
<_QZ> say esp is 0x1000, u push y to 0x1004 and x to 0x1008 now esp is 0x1008 and u set ebp to esp
<Tril> ebp doesnt change while you're in the current function
<_QZ> oops
<_QZ> reverse those addresses
<Tril> hehe 
<Tril> abi, which way does the stack grow?
<abi> no idea, tril
<HickServ> abi, are you a gaybot?
<abi> i haven't a clue, hickserv
<HickServ> :(
<HickServ> :)
<_QZ> esp=1000, y=0ffc, x=0ff8, ebp=0ff8
<_QZ> so [ebp+4] is the contents of y
<_QZ> and [ebp] is the contents of x
<HickServ> uh oh
<_QZ> if u set [x] to 4 then it will point to y
<HickServ> im banned from #asm
<_QZ> dont think yer missing out on anything because yer banned from #asm
<HickServ> i know i know
06:10pm
<_QZ> #asm isnt really an asm channel
<_QZ> its to talk about smoking dope, coding linux apps in C and fucking off
<HickServ> heh
<HickServ> yay
<_QZ> during the first 6 months to a year after we started the channel there was a lot of takeovers when we talked about asm
<_QZ> after they stopped talking asm no one wanted it
<HickServ> oh and you you can access y by ebp+x
<_QZ> no
<HickServ> ;(
<_QZ> mov ebx,[ebp]
<HickServ> oh yes
<_QZ> mov ebx,[ebp+ebx]
<HickServ> my bad
<_QZ> now ebx = y
<HickServ> thankyou kind sir
<_QZ> and u can use equates to find them easier
<HickServ> k
<_QZ> x equ 0; y equ x+4; etc...
<HickServ> i don't really like using pointers though
<HickServ> i mean in c i do
<HickServ> i have to
<HickServ> mabye references
<HickServ> but they are generally dangerous
<_QZ> btw, i have been told that novell's stock will be worth $80 a share in 5 years
<_QZ> $25 now
<HickServ> i've heard a lot about online stock tips on tv :)
<HickServ> they bad
<_QZ> this wasnt on tv
<HickServ> where?
<HickServ> usually stock tips don't tell how high a stock will be
<HickServ> usually just that they'll be good or bad
06:20pm
<_QZ> this is based on the success of nds and the lack of M$'s
<HickServ> oh
<HickServ> make some money and you can have qzx on the nyse :)))
<_QZ> ok ill make qzx a porn site
<HickServ> heh
<HickServ> hey could you explain semantics in programming language terms(i hate to ask you so many questions)
<_QZ> eh?
<HickServ> well fare always talks about good and bad semantics in programming languages
<_QZ> fare is also french and they like to have dead cricket spitting contests
<abi> okay, _QZ.
<_QZ> abi: bad girl
<HickServ> well excluding our predjuduce against the french could you kinda explain it to me
<_QZ> tril could
<Tril> semantics is meaning
<Tril> as opposed to syntax which is form
<HickServ> could you like give me an example of good semantics
<Tril> f(x)  syntax-wise is an f token and a x token in parens.  f(x) semantics-wise is whatever the definition of f(x) is.
06:30pm
<Tril> ok I have been explaining semantics (not good or bad) do you understand that so far?
<HickServ> yes kind sir
<Tril> do you know what side effects are?
<HickServ> no
<HickServ> well
<HickServ> not programming wise
<Tril> well, in a functional language it is good style to write functions that ONLY communicate to their caller through the return value, and don't modify any other data anywhere.
<HickServ> yes like in c
<Tril> if the behavior includes modifying global data, or local static data, or doing I/O, then the function is impure.
<Tril> but if it only returns a result, and it is the same result if it was given the same argument, every time, then it is pure
<Tril> It is possible that Fare means "impure" when he says "bad semantics", but you have to give me the context of his statement to be sure.
<Tril> Impure means it has side effects. Pure = no side effects
<HickServ> brb then
<Tril> hence "pure functional style"
<HickServ> booooo
<HickServ> and what is type checking?
<Tril> what about the bad semantics? Where did he say it?
<HickServ> oh
<HickServ> lemme check
06:40pm
<Tril> you know C?  It has types int, char, float, etc
<HickServ> i don't know he just once said "c has bad semantics"
<Tril> type checking is verifying that the argument to a function has the same type as the function declaration, or that the value being assigned to a variable matches the type in the variable declaration.
<HickServ> so you can't overload?
<_QZ> what was the meta tag to redirect to a new page?
<HickServ> lemme see
<Tril> <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; url=http://www.foo.com">
<_QZ> ah thanks
<Tril> change 0 to the number of seconds to wait before refreshing
<_QZ> ya i know
<_QZ> i use to have it on a couple pages but removed it from all
<HickServ> i want to write a programming language like forth but even lower level
<Tril> hick: Overloading is dynamic type checking
<_QZ> is there anyway to make apache open a new browser window with another site?
<Tril> static type check means all types are known at compile time, dynamic means they may be checked at run time (and you could get type errors at run time)
<Tril> _QZ you seem confused. Opening a browser window is done by the client, in response to HTML code in a page..what has Apache got to do with it?
<_QZ> geocities pops up those ad windows
<Tril> I don't know the HTML code to open a URL in a new browser window.
<Tril> oh right. and puts its little logo in the bottom right corner
<_QZ> my friend has a page on qzx.com and i wanna pop up some windows on his page
<HickServ> im leaving
<_QZ> but i cant add javascript to his page cuz he will remove it
<Tril> you got me
<HickServ> oh one more little thing
<HickServ> what is dynamic loading of libraries
<HickServ> ?
06:50pm
<Tril> Hick: when you use a library in your program, at link time you don't copy the library code into your executable, instead you require that the user has the library to run your program, and his operating system loads it automatically when he runs your program.
<HickServ> cool
<Tril> Static linking (and loading) is when you copy all library code you use into your executable. That makes bigger programs, and the OS has no way to share the same library between multiple programs (it has to load it each time)
<HickServ> thanks you guys you are really helpful
<HickServ> later
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<Tril> _QZ I dont know maybe Alias his page to one of yours and use includes to get his page inside yours?
<Tril> that would work, but require mod_include.so with <!--#include > which i dont know exactly the syntax of
<Tril> anyway I'm going to dinner . it sounds like you are trying to be mean to your "friend"
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<julie14>  Tril  holas
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<PaddyM> so what is this channel about?
<_QZ> tunes
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<tcn> hey qz
<_QZ> hey
<_QZ> its a bitch to buy stocks online
<tcn> never tried, don't plan to :)
<_QZ> u gotta print out forms, fill em out and mail em in with money
<_QZ> before u can begin to buy stocks
<tcn> all those online trading firms are under investigation
<_QZ> it would be nice if they would just use a credit card to let u buy instantly
<_QZ> why?
<tcn> not keeping track of customers' money very well
08:10pm
<_QZ> uhh
<tcn> that's all I know
<_QZ> this is suppose to be a good one
<_QZ> i hope
<tcn> datek was the first to go under investigation
<_QZ> there is alot of good comments about it on internet.com
<tcn> posted by employees of the company :)
<_QZ> mydiscountbroker.com
<_QZ> hahah
<tcn> that's a good scam.. make a web site "inside tip: buy stock in xxxxxxx".. after buying 10,000 shares.. then sell it, watch it go bankrupt..
<tcn> u get rich
<_QZ> well there are alot of good comments about some broker and then there are lots of "no way that broker SUCKS" comments following it
<_QZ> but this broker didnt have any of those
<_QZ> hhahhaha
<tcn> eh?
<_QZ> internet.com has a message board where u can post crap
<tcn> hehe.. reading the logs for today
<_QZ> and someone will post a good comment about some broker and then its followed by several "that broker sucks" comments
<tcn> are you lame if someone called sm1th says so? 
<_QZ> but mydiscountbroker.com didnt have any "sucks" comments after the good posts
<_QZ> hehe
<_QZ> sm1th is a luser
<tcn> abi, are u artificially intelligent?
<abi> i don't know, tcn
<tcn> abi, how smart are you?
<abi> i am the little girl borg with a big brain or #tunes' personal little whore or an infoslut or gaklosmontic or flurivostuginuous or xyvarestoplik or an Artificial Idiot
<tcn> abi, who's smith?
<abi> tcn: i haven't a clue
<tcn> who's sm1th?
<abi> somebody said sm1th was the biggest ass
<tcn> hahahahaha
<tcn> sm1th is also a luser
<abi> okay, tcn.
<tcn> abi is also braindead
<abi> okay, tcn.
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<tcn> ey
<tcn> h
<tcn> heh.. you ever get hold of carlito?
<_ruiner_> not today
<tcn> he was in here like every day asking if anyone's seen you
<tcn> haha
08:30pm
<tcn> later
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<_QZ> u all suck my dick u assholes
09:20pm
<_QZ> hmm, strike that last comment from me. it was NOT me
10:00pm
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<_BC> Hi
<_BC> _QZ , abi !
<abi> _QZ is the creator of BRiX, and webmaster of http://www.qzx.com
>>> _BC [bmcbrine@pine.Alberni.Net] requested PING 927607932 from #tunes
<_BC> _QZ
<_BC> abi
<abi> yes, _BC?
<_BC> ping pls
<_BC> ping me
<_BC> i thin
<_BC> eek
<_BC> can u ping me
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<_BC> hullo?
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