IRC log started Fri May 7 00:00:00 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0507 -:- SignOff Tril: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Tril[sloth.wcug.wwu.edu]) -:- SignOff Tikiman: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Tikiman[mcrigal2.student.Princeton.EDU]) -:- Tikiman [tikiman@mcrigal2.student.Princeton.EDU] has joined #tunes * Tikiman/#tunes is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On] -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@client-151-200-121-152.bellatlantic.net] has joined #tunes -:- NetSplit: sterling.openprojects.net split from clarke.openprojects.net [07:46am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [sterling.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: sterling.openprojects.net clarke.openprojects.net -:- Tikiman [tikiman@mcrigal2.student.Princeton.EDU] has joined #Tunes -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@client-151-200-121-152.bellatlantic.net] has joined #Tunes -:- ChanServ has changed the topic on channel #Tunes to: http://www.tunes.org - Free Reflective Computing System !lu.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT xing.openprojects.net 8005 from lilo !^lilo:*! time to do a few quick server moves -:- NetSplit: mccaffrey.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [10:47am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [mccaffrey.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: mccaffrey.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- Tikiman [tikiman@mcrigal2.student.Princeton.EDU] has joined #Tunes -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@client-151-200-121-152.bellatlantic.net] has joined #Tunes !^lilo:*! hmmm, that was not entirely intentional :) !^lilo:*! but it's certainly nice and flat :) -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Mein Laven!) -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@client-151-200-126-94.bellatlantic.net] has joined #tunes -:- ruiner [nate@ppp034.wi.centuryinter.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Ping timeout for AlonzoTG[client-151-200-126-94.bellatlantic.net]) -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@client-151-200-125-140.bellatlantic.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff ruiner: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- GottDesPoo [nate@ppp248.wi.centuryinter.net] has joined #tunes -:- GottDesPoo is now known as GottDesFicks -:- SignOff GottDesFicks: #TUNES (Leaving) -lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] Hi all. If you are interested in assisting with the redesign of the Open Projects web pages, please drop by #op-web. Thanks! -:- NetSplit: koontz.openprojects.net split from varley.openprojects.net [03:25pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [koontz.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: koontz.openprojects.net varley.openprojects.net -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@client-151-200-125-140.bellatlantic.net] has joined #Tunes -^lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] hi all, investigating problems with koontz....please bear with us! !xing.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT lu.openprojects.net 8005 from lilo !sterling.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT zsoldos.openprojects.net 8005 from lilo -:- io_put_a [pelaez@ib-136.arrakis.es] has joined #Tunes -:- io_put_a [pelaez@ib-136.arrakis.es] has left #Tunes [] -lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] Just a reminder. If you're interested in helping with the Open Projects web pages rewrite and expansion, come see us on #op-web. Thanks. -:- endsley [root@gw.varesearch.com] has joined #tunes -:- _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes -:- Tril_ is now known as Tril -:- endsley [root@gw.varesearch.com] has left #tunes [] would prolog work? for what finding the best function... for saying I need an XYZ... the best one you got... best? how would you define that. 06:30pm like I need a sort... Quantum computers do it differently... so I want the OS/language to decide which is best for mee Or with snooping for drivers. Saying "I want a device that does this..." some of the concepts from prolog are useful, but prolog itself is way too limited in my opinion. good then it will be a start then! ? what are you going to do? I will study it nekst :) dunno yet yes, you should study prolog next, if you wish 06:40pm know any books? prolog books? hmm I don't have any. I learned prolog in a class, from the professor's lectures.. Oh, I know. The book for that class didn't have prolog in it, but it had a general notation for "logic programming" which was directly translatable into prolog. So I did learn it from a book. 06:50pm hmmz... i'm trying to find the book info know a better logic progarmming langage? yeah here it is. _Discrete_Structures,_Logic,_and_Computability_ by James L. Hein I'll look into it after I take a semester in Discrete Math. :) well I hear Mercury is a lot better k, checking Phatbraine.com thinks mercury is a car... did you try the tunes review first?? :\ * Tril/#TUNES tries to add reflection to tunes.lsp and gets all twisterd up in a knot 07:00pm wish I could help, sorry but I only learned a little LISP last 'eek. you could learn more by reading my code :) hehe i don't recommend tunes.lsp though hehe read the lisp code i wrote for my assignments.. what eggzacktlie are you trying to do? you'd have to ask me to send it, it's not on a page anywhere what am I trying to do? yes, what are you trying to make your program do? did you see what it does now? no what is the requirement specification of your program? good question. i'll try to write one, then maybe it will be easier to do. yes! thats why there was a softwarez crisis back in the 60s... now that I remember it, that's how I got the program written the first time. nobody had set up any warez sites... i need to write a spec for the change i'm about to make... yes! good luck 07:10pm -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.cx]) -:- Closing Link: TUNES[bespin.cx] by clarke.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.cx]) -:- Connection closed from clarke.openprojects.net: Success -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server clarke.openprojects.net [refnum 2] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: For more information about BitchX type /about -:- Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES -:- Your host is clarke.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) -:- This server was cobbled together Wed Apr 28 1999 at 13 24:47 EDT -:- clarke.openprojects.net u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) dioswkfcg biklmnopstv -:- [local users on irc(8)] 3% -:- [global users on irc(103)] 40% -:- [invisible users on irc(155)] 60% -:- [ircops on irc(17)] 7% -:- [total users on irc(258)] -:- [unknown connections(0)] -:- [total servers on irc(33)] (avg. 7 users per server) -:- [total channels created(81)] (avg. 3 users per channel) !clarke.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 19 (18 clients) !clarke.openprojects.net Welcome to Open Projects! You are on 1 ca 1(2) ft 14(14) tr. -:- Mode change [+f] for user TUNES -:- Mode change [+iws] for user TUNES -:- JOIN activated by "TUNES #tunes tunes@bespin.cx " -:- TUNES [tunes@bespin.cx] has joined #tunes -:- Topic for #TUNES: http://www.tunes.org - Free Reflective Computing System -:- topic set by ChanServ [Fri May 7 07:55:02 1999] -:- [Users(#Tunes:4)] [ TUNES ] [ _QZ ] [ AlonzoTG ] [ Tikiman ] -:- Channel #Tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999 -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Join to #tunes was synced in 6.835 secs!! -:- Mode change [-s] for user TUNES -:- abi [nef@bespin.cx] has joined #tunes -:- Tril [dem@bespin.cx] has joined #TUNES -:- mode/#Tunes [+o Tril] by ChanServ stupid isp nwnexus never buy a non-dedicated frame relay line either. it's like flying standby. <_QZ> u need a netrek server on bespin ok qz: WHAT? NO DEBIAN PACKAGE? 07:40pm sounds like an excuse to become a debian maintainer good timing, since I'm going to Seattle on Sunday... there's probably some debian people there who can sign my key. <_QZ> sign yer key? -:- Tril_ [dem@sloth.wcug.wwu.edu] has joined #TUNES 07:50pm it's a pgp thing. you can sign someone's key, to indicate you met them in real life and therefore trust that their key actually belongs to them. <_QZ> hmm when you download other people's keys, pgp checks the signatures with the keys of the people that signed it to determine how much you should "trust" the new key -:- Connection closed from clarke.openprojects.net: Broken pipe -:- Use /Server to connect to a server -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server king.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- Unable to connect to port 6667 of server king.openprojects.net: Invalid argument -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server king.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- Unable to connect to port 6667 of server king.openprojects.net: Invalid argument -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 1] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: For more information about BitchX type /about -:- Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES (from devlin.openprojects.net) -:- Your host is devlin.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.04.resolv9.nmt.egcs4.tok.pten.tlim4.admin.upper4.whisper3.gipl.modeless7 (from devlin.openprojects.net) -:- This server was cobbled together Sat Jan 23 1999 at 21 33:38 EST(from devlin.openprojects.net) -:- devlin.openprojects.net u2.10.04.resolv9.nmt.egcs4.tok.pten.tlim4.admin.upper4.whisper3.gipl.modeless7 dioswkfcg biklmnopstv -:- [local users on irc(5)] 2% -:- [global users on irc(104)] 39% -:- [invisible users on irc(160)] 61% -:- [ircops on irc(16)] 6% -:- [total users on irc(264)] -:- [unknown connections(0)] -:- [total servers on irc(33)] (avg. 8 users per server) -:- [total channels created(82)] (avg. 3 users per channel) !devlin.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 23 (21 clients) -:- Mode change [+f] for user TUNES -:- Mode change [+iws] for user TUNES -:- JOIN activated by "TUNES #tunes tunes@bespin.cx " -:- TUNES [tunes@bespin.cx] has joined #tunes -:- [Users(#Tunes:5)] [ TUNES ] [ Tril_ ] [ _QZ ] [ AlonzoTG ] [ Tikiman ] -:- Channel #Tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999 -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Join to #tunes was synced in 3.161 secs!! -:- Mode change [-s] for user TUNES -:- Tril [dem@bespin.cx] has joined #TUNES -:- mode/#Tunes [+o Tril] by ChanServ 08:00pm you use pico to read files, too? I always use less, because hitting ctrl-v to scroll down is annoying you can set less up to spawn an editor when you hit e <_QZ> i like pico me too, but not as a file viewer I'll see what I can do about becoming a debian developer as soon as I finish this update to tunes.lsp <_QZ> do u have colors on here? <_QZ> colorls ya do u know how to make it work alias ls='ls --color=auto -F'; eval `dircolors` 08:10pm sorry, TUNES won't run on LISP: Lisp stack overflow. RESET <_QZ> do u have the mp library? <_QZ> wtf? what is the mp library. eek thunderstorm... :((( the one that killed all those people out west... it's in virginia now? <_QZ> damn bespin keeps lagging bad yep... complain to nwnexus <_QZ> Tril_: u wanna look at the calvin.tmpl file whoa <_QZ> it requires some directories to store stuff that would be /var/lib/netrek probably global config in /etc/netrek At least I got two spike stoppers on my box... one of them is 11 years old :P <_QZ> i got an apc <_QZ> nothing but the best atg: u should open it to see if the transducer is melting not while it's on <_QZ> yes do it while its on this thing on tv said lots of cheap power strips (plastic ones) catch on fire because the transducer melts the plastic i think it's called a transducer.. <_QZ> trasnformer 08:20pm no i dont think it was a transformer. it's the part that protects against surges. <_QZ> capacitor <_QZ> diodes 08:30pm this is odd the stack didnt overflow when I did it on loading. and it even seems to be working... (I made a circular structure) good werk! 08:40pm <_QZ> where did u want the netrrek binaries? <_QZ> /usr/local/netrek? 08:50pm binaries go in /usr/bin/games no wait <_QZ> ok /usr/games has games binaries in it. <_QZ> so u want it in /usr/games/netrek? is that a file or a dir? <_QZ> firectory <_QZ> ugh if its a dir, then it should be /usr/lib/netrek <_QZ> ok 09:00pm <_QZ> crap, do u have the rsa distribution? you want to link to it? <_QZ> i need the rsa_util.c file just one file? what about the library? <_QZ> You need to get rsa_util.c from the rsa distribution and put it in <_QZ> the ./ntserv directory. installing <_QZ> what <_QZ> its not ready to install -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@client-151-200-125-140.bellatlantic.net] has left #tunes [] ummmmm I installed rsaref <_QZ> oh the main part is /usr/lib/rsaref.a this isnt the source... <_QZ> do u know where the source would be? yes holdon I dont have rsa_util.c why do you need RSA for netrek? <_QZ> cuz the client and server source is open <_QZ> and ppl could write borgs <_QZ> so rsa verfifies that the client isnt a borg the netrek protocol uses encryption? 09:10pm <_QZ> i dont know how it works but the rsa is to prevent ppl from cheating is that required? <_QZ> all servers use it to prevent cheaters from using their servers <_QZ> there are tons of borg client that would be like adding a computer player to the game that u cant beat rsa_util.c is not part of the rsaref distribution, I dont know where it is. you will have to find it yourself but tell me what you do because I want to know how to make netrek a debian package <_QZ> what do u mean 'what i do"? like what libraries netrek requires and where to get them. and what other stuff you need to download to compile it <_QZ> well it wants libm and libmp (which u dont have) <_QZ> but libmp isnt required but recommended if you could tell me the full names of those libraries... i might be able to install them <_QZ> libm is standard <_QZ> it doesnt say what libmp is <_QZ> multiprocessor? libm.so.5 and libm.so.6 are installed they're in /lib <_QZ> i know what is libm? <_QZ> math whatever it is, it's probably already in libm or libc by now <_QZ> its part of libc libc gobbles libraries <_QZ> does rsa have a page? <_QZ> libm was part of libc but they removed it and made it a separate lib <_QZ> but its versions match libc's 09:20pm i'm going to go <_QZ> ok i guess you dont have it ready anyway * Tril/#TUNES is away: (afk) [BX-MsgLog Off] 09:30pm -:- Dicy [orbital33@pval1-50.telmex.net.mx] has joined #Tunes -:- Dicy [orbital33@pval1-50.telmex.net.mx] has left #Tunes [] -:- SignOff _QZ: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) -:- dufrp [dufrp@ts2-080.oricom.ca] has joined #TUNES -:- SignOff dufrp: #TUNES (dufrp) [msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.0508 IRC log ended Sat May 8 00:00:00 1999