IRC log started Wed Apr 7 00:00:00 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0407 [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: tolkien.openprojects.net dickson.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: tolkien.openprojects.net dickson.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from dickson.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net dickson.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: sterling.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: koontz.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from lu.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: koontz.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: sterling.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from lu.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: koontz.openprojects.net varley.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: devlin.openprojects.net asimov.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from asimov.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net asimov.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: sterling.openprojects.net tolkien.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from tolkien.openprojects.net. 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[openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net varley.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. -:- SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Fare[quatramaran.ens.fr]) -:- Fare [rideau@quatramaran.ens.fr] has joined #Tunes [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: koontz.openprojects.net wang.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: sterling.openprojects.net wang.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from wang.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net wang.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: sterling.openprojects.net wang.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: LinuxGold killed Chronofrag (Ghostie.) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: sterling.openprojects.net wang.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from wang.openprojects.net. 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Hey now... !^lilo:*! hehe :) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: sterling.openprojects.net becquer.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from becquer.openprojects.net. -lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] Please welcome zaragosa.es.eu.opirc.nu (becquer.opirc.nu) to Open Projects Net! [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net becquer.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: king.openprojects.net brin.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) -:- Iepos [root@d14.t1-4.tecinfo.com] has joined #TUNES hello. is anyone here? 01:50pm -:- binEng [bineng@dialup113-2-20.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes hello bingEng binEng hi I was just wondering over you... so say something. Should I recognize you? oh i'm back now sorry no i was here yesterday but that's all i've been subscribed to the mailing list for awhile k so what's up? actually, not much for the moment oh.... same here 02:00pm So, still not gotten out of the bad habit of being root all the time, have you? nope 02:10pm Hey Tril! 02:20pm * Fare/#Tunes is back Gakuk! Hi, Iepos. hi hoy, Iepos I hope QZ didn't brainwash you, yesterday haha brainwash? binEng: note than USERNAME=root doesn't mean UID=0 ;-> that's true... hey, that'd be great about Tunes: that user named "root" would be a pseudo-superuser! pseudo how? he would believe he's got full power, but actually, he'd be restricted and the true root would be the account 'luser' :) maybe a trick to do in the future Tunes linux-emulator there would be no true root in the linux emulator! true root would be in native tunes! 02:40pm -:- tcn [tcn@cci-209150250113.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes hey, tcn hey is retro going? tcn: what's on cvs ain't working? Iepos: btw, do we know each other already? hi tcn no :) i've been on the mailing lists for a while reading it that is You haven't posted anything, then? no just applied for membership a couple days ago there seemed to be a problem tril said that the stuff was cut off after "software goals hello, still here? sure oh he said it might be a problem with the "word-wrap" function or something hum. Not sure what happened about the application. Did you bring three identity pictures, and a fiscal stamp? * Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 20 hrs 56 min 10 secs fine Bin I'll come here heh welcome there can't be anything wrong with word-wrap, cause *I* wrote that function :) i e-mailed my bookstore about TOO , if they can get it cheaper than the publisher price then I'll buy it from them haha i doubt it :) and fare, in answer to your question, no, I haven't tried the latest version of Retro Tril: also get SICP. hmm.. I wonder what's wrong with Retro.. I'll have to see the bug report Fare: I dunno, it looks really *old*! is it good for learning LISP or something? Fare: Which NASM are you using? 02:50pm tcn: latestest tcn: 0.98p3.6 Tril: well, it uses the Scheme dialect Fare: well, I'm not really that interested in Computer Programs as they traditionally exist, so I'm not sure SICP is applicable to me. hey, what's SICP? SICP is not just traditional abi, sicp? i guess sicp is not just traditional it's really 100% insight When was UNIX invented? early 70's sure? abi, sicp? sicp is Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs at http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ SICP is at http://tunes.org/Review/Languages.html#SICP >>> Tril [dem@sloth.wcug.wwu.edu] requested PING 923522200 951109 from #TUNES oh it's a language then abi: binEng's TOAFM? bineng, your TOAFM is, like, Su-Th 17:00-20:00 and F,Sa 17:00-01:00 (GMT) iepos, it's a book oh... okay.... iepos, are you the new member? yes it's a book about programming like you've never read one (unless you did) What is all this talk about sicp? Don't tell me it's a book I should have... well, they have sicp at this uni's library so I can read it without buying it. i'll go get it now. binEng: no, it's a book you should have read. * Tril/#TUNES is away: (getting sicp) [BX-MsgLog Off] ah * binEng/#tunes finds out that sicp is at quite a number of Swedish universities. I'll have a look at it when i get the chance. 03:00pm anybody that cares for some chatting? depends. Does it hurt? I guess not... but nevery say never I just sent a message to review@tunes.org, but it wasn't propagated maybe Mellissa II is out :) http://www.techno.net/pcl Did you see the announce of the Tuxissa virus? installs Linux on your computer in the background... :) My question was, what other OSes/projects could threaten TUNES/UniOS in the future, technologically (and hypothetically). * Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 8 min 59 secs projects that ain't born yet well run, Tril you see no existing threat? brb hahaha definately not M$ **** you just kidding * binEng/#tunes --> UniOS nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo at least, no project I reviewed had ambitions that could threaten TUNES guss who Even if MS use inferior concepts, they are very big and powerful... or perhaps projects involving ethnic cleansing of Paris haha what are u talking oABOUT hey.... that's not a bad idea after all, is it? ;) haha, that was my strange friend typing while i was away at which time I'm sure I'll be first against the wall... You could come here * Tril/#TUNES is away: (afk) [BX-MsgLog Off] Put it on the TUNES agenda: "Clean and fast ethnic cleansing of Paris, and some other major cities as well if needed." It shows you've got big ambitions. dxhg -:- SignOff Iepos: #TUNES (Iepos) 03:10pm hey, how come CVS says "? INSTALL" ..? tcn: you didn't create the file in the repository I get it :) you must cvs checkin it tcvs checkin INSTALL I hereby officially declare that I will log of at the next whole hour. (otherwise I won't do it, if I know myself) we'll /kick you :) binEng: ya know, the TUNES bot is meant to do it, already! lol -:- mode/#tunes [+o Fare] by ChanServ -:- binEng was kicked off #tunes by Fare (binEng) -:- binEng [bineng@dialup113-2-20.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes I know, that was particularly evil, but I couldn't resist ;-> not now! Fare: allright, it's updated -:- Fare was kicked off #tunes by Fare (don't you kick my friends out of the channel!) * binEng/#tunes scratches his head so it's just us, bineng? -:- Fare [rideau@quatramaran.ens.fr] has joined #Tunes uh looks no better hum :( any luck? now it's looking even worse... kidding 330ea9aff47769871be8aa2dee052962 kernel/image binEng: wipe your glasses. 03:20pm ok, updating and recompiling have you guys seen the new xoom ad frame? tcn: that's because you insert a tag in the binary!!! tcn: the "who's compiled me" tag! let's remove it. what file is it in? Fare: oh yeah :) It's in kernel/boot.asm .. just comment it out commment it out, too! btw, does it work? what is it? why should it work? no source file was changed! * Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 14 min 4 secs ok I changed it tcn: add a make floppy target that does a cat kernel/image > /dev/fd0 commit, and tell me I called it 'make disk' oh ahh.. I know what's wrong! make floppy would have been consistent with linux, clementine, etc now that INSTALL is there, you would know how to do it :) bineng, you still here? * binEng/#tunes is here Half an hour to go! [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: king.openprojects.net brin.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from brin.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net brin.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. Fare: It uses a C program to write the image to floppy... it sets a variable in the boot sector, saying how many sectors to load (because of the module system) Fare: When you just copy image to /dev/fd0, it doesn't load the modules :) oh try a 'make disk' right now.. should work let's see... help 1t w0rx!$@%! sweet! 03:30pm number conventions remind me of 6502 assembly! hehe.. got those from the 6811/12 assembler easy to parse :) but wasteful of special symbols that's ok, it's just a debugger and a prototype, at that hum. I wanna try on my laptop. yeah, that should be interesting.. hum. Let those batch downloads terminate, first allright fare, bineng.. what's more important: multitasking & memory management Scheme Forth Persistent Storage important how? which should I add to Retro first? Either Forth or Scheme then you can add storage I'd actually recommend a mix between FORTH and Scheme. hmm Let me explain: something that would use atomic words as in FORTH I vote for 1) Forth 2) multitasking 3) persistant storage (using a threaded interpreter) but that would follow the Scheme heap&continuation model instead of FORTH's two-stack model hum. Maybe FORTH is simpler. what do you mean by 'threaded'? direct threaded, subroutine threaded, token threaded, ...? good question. anyway, that settles it. FORTH is first Ideally, that kind of decision should be easily retargettable. i.e. as much as possible, don't hardcode it. I've already written & rewritten a FORTH interpreter once, and it would give us a real language yup a Scheme interpreter could be implemented on top of it uh oh, netscape is dangling... * Fare/#Tunes uses Mozilla m3... kind of works, but error popups are annoying * tcn/#tunes uses lynx, mostly I'm lazy :) 03:40pm err, impatient yeah, I like lynx, too, except that it is unreadable in these tiny xterms. I noticed Netscape is more reliable under Linux than Windoze, where you sometimes have to use IE to see certain sites.. maybe I should disable color... yeah, much better! color is annoying, especially if you're wearing glasses color is ok on the console in X, it is _very_ annoying maybe I should choose colors better, too :) everything is annoying in X xterms aren't bad, if you set the font size to HUGE except that I can get 4 xterms at a time on that 1024x768 LCD screen -- nice lets me monitor several things at once hey Fare, you've written a Scheme interpreter before, right? -:- SignOff binEng: #TUNES (Ping timeout for binEng[dialup113-2-20.swipnet.se]) tcn: well, written one in Scheme, so that wasn't fair. in particular, I did rely on the underlying GC. I've studied GC algorithms a lot, too, though. I'm a professional amateur: know a bit about lots of topics in CS. haha i.e., you studied them in college, and promptly forgot most of them? :) 03:50pm -:- binEng [bineng@dialup54-4-35.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes welcome back, it's time for you to leave :) yes, thanks for noticing me. I, like, changed my mind :p well I'm going to dinner, and I think fare passed out hm I'll stay for a while anyway * Fare/#Tunes passes out, testing retro is there only one edition of TOO? dunno but there are *lots* of followup articles brb I'm gonna have to email Luca because of a bad link on his web page :) Tril: Are there no disk usage quotas on Bespin? correct 04:00pm the policy says to ask if you want to use more than 50 megs How much space is there, then? Not that i intend to do anything... toogam :) but just use as much as you want, I'll contact you if it's a problem just type 'df' what does that do? bloody windoze lusers :) df tells the free space on each partition. Look at the /users partition, that's the one your home files are on df = disk free free = RAM free uptime=CPU free oh yeah? under DOS we only need dir! hum well, time for dinner retro failed miserably on the laptop hehe (actually, the save-to-disk failed, too, and I'm doing fsck (happily, I added a "quick boot mode" to my linux setup -- lets you run X while most of the disk is in read-only mode under fsck) under MacOS we don't even need type commands Hmm... are all numbers in kb's? we can't type commands :) actually, under the next consumer electronics OS, you won't have to run any program. You'll just have to buy the computer. and then another one. :) And so on. don't worry it'll break before it's obsolete [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: sterling.openprojects.net king.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) great feature! allright, dinner, then Forth.. see ya -:- SignOff tcn: #TUNES (tcn has no reason) Fare: did you convince him to use his own Forth interpreter for retro? ok, forget the convincing part, is he using his own? tcn: hard reboot a split second after it shows tID he LEFT "Active upgrade activation", (tm) Wintel ouch fare: don't you get signoff messages? The download accelerates gradually. Tril: I believe he'll implement his own FORTH, indeed [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: lackey.openprojects.net brin.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from brin.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net brin.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. Tril: I had a lag, and typed my message before he left, but could not hit enter until he did so he left, but I'm right. right about what? [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: koontz.openprojects.net king.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: koontz.openprojects.net king.openprojects.net (Write error to king.openprojects.net[209.176.56.220], closing link) just a stupid pun. ah How great it would be if humans were reacting at the same speed as computers. OTOH the computers would seem awfully slow :) 04:10pm binEng: humans are *faster* than computers at what they do. program computers? Actually, considering what they do, computers are *infinitely slower* (i.e. never manage to do it). In a way yes, but you can't really compare it that way * Tril/#TUNES watches the download speed up as people leave campus and free up bandwidth Tril: for instance, yeah. Tril: shoot a few other students, and watch the bandwidth increase... Take calculations and stuff... that's where computers can excel. just wait another hour and it should reach 1Mb/s the human can always do better... because he can use a computer when needed. but what if you give the computer concience? [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: sterling.openprojects.net jordan.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: koontz.openprojects.net jordan.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from jordan.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net jordan.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. Then it could in theory use *humans* for the task. did you guys see The Matrix? no... ? well, if you can, watch it What's The Matrix? * Fare/#Tunes thinks the picture isn't out in .fr http://www.whatisthematrix.com a very interesting movie it's good, too. so go watch it. An ordinary sci-fi movie? 04:20pm what is ordinary? who knows it's about what you were just talking about that's why I brought it up oh the bad guys were AI's do you want me to tell you more? It's better to see it yourself The chance I'll ever see it seems small to me... but maybe it can be rent? do you get US movies in cinemas? of course you do, most of them are US movies, right? well we surely got Titanic ;) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: sterling.openprojects.net wang.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) yes many are from the US, but I don't think they only show the biggest... and I virtually never goes to the cinema s/don't// -:- _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes brb [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: sterling.openprojects.net king.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from king.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net king.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. Tril: we get US movies with a few months of delay, due to translation/french voices 04:30pm we also get some french movies, and a few european or south american movies But if most people know English, why bother? dubbed movies suck I don't think most french people know english drive to UK also, comedies and stuff are sometimes better dubbed, least you're fluent enough to get the original jokes. back isn't it so that french ppl think that French is better and so don't want to learn or use English? French *is* better :) I think you have proven my point :) et puis d'abord, Tunes sera en francais. * Fare/#Tunes traduis tout Tunes en francais, et efface la version anglaise! Tril: you mean, take the train... subjectively, knowing nothing of the language, it doesn't look appealing Fare: Bicycle! Tril: the member list of TUNES isn't public, is it? binEng: objectivement, je t'emmerde! * Fare/#Tunes once considered latin as the lingua franca for Tunes. meta is the L.F. for tunes Fare, if you want me to understand you'd better use English. 04:40pm look here: $ logout Saying goodbye to dem... write: dem is logged in more than once; writing to ttya0 what does that mean? it means I'm shitting you what?? * Tril/#TUNES forces babelfish to choke out the answer "Objectively, I you shit!" , except it doesn't know that shit can be a verb. Fare, am I right? "emmerder" is litterally to "put someone in the shit", but would be translated more like "fuck you". shitting someone means deceiving them oh. Well, that's definitely "fuck you", then. gotta goto sleep. Bye! bye l8r -:- SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Back to the Tunes OS project -- /whowas Fare) -:- billyboof [hatefull@nrwc-sh9-port87.snet.net] has joined #tunes -:- root [root@d14.t1-6.tecinfo.com] has joined #TUNES -:- SignOff root: #TUNES (root) -:- Iepos [root@d14.t1-6.tecinfo.com] has joined #TUNES hello everyone hello what's up, Iepos hi hi again hi <_QZ> Tril: do u have trafshow or something like it? I don't know what that is yeah, what's trafshow? <_QZ> it shows all traffic into and out of yer computer oh 04:50pm <_QZ> cuz when i access(ftp,www,ping,etc) www.qzx.com, trafshow says im accessing home-renovation.com which is a domain hosted by aros.net i'm outta here * Tril/#TUNES is away: (aFk) [BX-MsgLog Off] that's kinda strange <_QZ> im just wondering if its just me or if anyone else on the net sees it too well when i ping www.qzx.com and aros.net I get different ip addresses <_QZ> right <_QZ> and home-renovation.com also has a diff ip yes so what does this mean? <_QZ> i have no idea :-) worked on Brix lately? you're doing the interactive shell thingy next i guess... ? <_QZ> ya hmm... i posted a message to the mailing list a few minutes ago ... ... wondering when i'm going to see it ... <_QZ> the tunes list? yes. tunes@tunes.org <_QZ> u will see it in several hours oh really... takes a while, huh? does somebody moderate it? <_QZ> there are 100 ppl on the list, u are last, and that list is run off a 56k line oh hey, what is QZ ? your initials? <_QZ> 2 letters in the english alphabet <_QZ> Q, Z and X the 3 kewlest letters haha ... okay 05:00pm [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: sterling.openprojects.net wang.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from wang.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net wang.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. well ... gotta go bye <_QZ> cya -:- SignOff Iepos: #TUNES (Iepos) 05:10pm -:- SignOff binEng: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff billyboof: #TUNES (Ping timeout for billyboof[nrwc-sh9-port87.snet.net]) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: sterling.openprojects.net wang.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: koontz.openprojects.net wang.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from wang.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net wang.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: sterling.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: koontz.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from lu.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed hal-j (GHOST command used by hal-jason) -:- Iepos [root@d10.t1-9.tecinfo.com] has joined #TUNES hello, anyone here? -:- SignOff Iepos: #TUNES (Iepos) 07:10pm -:- irc [root@d10.t1-9.tecinfo.com] has joined #TUNES -:- SignOff irc: #TUNES (irc) -:- Iepos [root@d10.t1-9.tecinfo.com] has joined #TUNES -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us718.javanet.com] has joined #tunes hello, hcf. hoy Iepos i'm new here... what's up? nothing really... i posted a message to the general mailing list a while ago ... ... i'm still waiting to see it ... QZ told it takes a while :-) not too fast connection i guess or maybe it is moderated... do you know? nope oh well ... i'm sure it will appear sometime 07:20pm <_QZ> the connection is slow and yer last on the list hmm... what do you mean i'm last on the list? what list? <_QZ> the tunes list list of messages pending to to posted? sent out to everyone? the subscriber list oh ... you're saying that i'll just receive it last ... <_QZ> ya well actually i've been on the list for a few months half a year maybe... am i still on the bottom? probly ;) heh heh... well it will show up soon enough i guess ... <_QZ> i joined over a year ago and it took hours before i got my mail from the list i'm starting to read chapter 1 of that SICP you were talking about earlier or was that Tril and Fare ? i can't remember who <_QZ> anyone read "about face" by alan cooper? <_QZ> About Face : The Essentials of User Interface not me, what is it? <_QZ> Design oh <_QZ> "Alan Cooper is the "Miss Manners" of software design...My advice is <_QZ> to buy two copies -- autograph the second, and send it to an engineer <_QZ> at Microsoft. " <_QZ> hahah autograph and send to an engineer at Microsoft? where is that quote from, the book? <_QZ> ya <_QZ> no <_QZ> Paul Saffo, Director, Institute for the Future no? yes? oh kay <_QZ> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1568843224/qid%3D923536866/002-8719718-6143405 what are you talking about, microsoft makes the best user interfaces ;) <_QZ> hah [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: koontz.openprojects.net jordan.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: sterling.openprojects.net jordan.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from jordan.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net jordan.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. 07:30pm [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed Quick (GHOST command used by Quick[afk]) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: koontz.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: sterling.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from lu.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: koontz.openprojects.net carter.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: sterling.openprojects.net carter.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from carter.openprojects.net. 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[openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: sterling.openprojects.net xing.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed Lethal (This nick is reserved by another user) !lu.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT xing.openprojects.net 8005 from lilo !norton.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT xing.openprojects.net 8005 from lilo [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: crichton.openprojects.net xing.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from xing.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net xing.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Remote SQUIT by catbert [xing.openprojects.net]: [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: forward.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net (catbert) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: koontz.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from sterling.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.0408 IRC log ended Thu Apr 8 00:00:01 1999