IRC log started Tue Mar  2 00:00:00 1999
<_QZ> yer buying a noname s3 trio vid card?
<_QZ> i would either get an agp millenium II + 12meg m3d2 or a rivatnt
[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0302
<_QZ> i have an ati all-in-wonder pro 4meg agp + 4meg m3d in my game box
<_QZ> cuz the ati has a tv
<lar1> Realisticly, how much will this all be?
<_QZ> so its my gam box / tv :)
<lar1> :)
<_QZ> cant u add?
<_QZ> if u mail order then dont buy crap
<lar1> I don't plan on buying crap from anywhere
<_QZ> if u stick with the major players (ati isnt one) then everything will work out fine
<lar1> I thought ati was?
<_QZ> no ati isnt
<_QZ> ati wont release their specs to the linux community
<lar1> Ohhh
<_QZ> that is why ati's tv feature doesnt work in linux
<_QZ> and the abit bx6 wouldnt work with the ati all-in-wonder
<lar1> Hey, can I print this out, and stroll down to frys where the meat and beat prices>
<_QZ> thats cuz ati sucks and abit doesnt support everything, only the good stuff
<_QZ> i buy everything local, cept for a few rare items
<_QZ> like the asus p2b-d
<lar1> SCSI or E-IDE?
<_QZ> and then i research that item alot before buying to make sure its good and will work with the parts i want it to work with
<_QZ> ide
<lar1> Really?  I always thought SCSI was better?
<_QZ> i have a scsi jazjet card but it only has my int zip drive and ext 6disc cd player on it
<lar1> Ok
<lar1> What stores do you go to?
<_QZ> i had a 2gig scsi hdd on it but ran out of room in the case
<_QZ> ebc, lsmicro, and compusa
<_QZ> only cuz i have business accounts at all three :)
<lar1> Does that make it cheaper?
<_QZ> uhh YA :)
<lar1> A lot cheaper?
<_QZ> depends on what u buy
12:10am
<_QZ> compusa varies alot
<lar1> Damn it!  I want a business account now!
<_QZ> some shit u save pennies and other shit u can save upto like $50
<_QZ> lsmicro and ebc u save alot
<lar1> I don't have a lsmicro or an ebc here
<_QZ> like 10-20%
<_QZ> thats cuz they are local utah stores
<lar1> ah
<_QZ> ebc was started in eddy's garage
<_QZ> then he got really big and opened a store and partnered with larry
<_QZ> then they decided to split and have a retail and a wholesale
<lar1> Do you think I can pull this off for $600
<_QZ> larry got the retail (lsmicro) and eddy took the wholesale (ebc)
<lar1> cool
<_QZ> ofcourse then lsmicro split into retail and wholesale and now has 2 stores
<lar1> heh
<_QZ> the retail store is in an ex-eat-a-burger place
<_QZ> u got them there?
<lar1> no
<_QZ> they have a unique building design
<_QZ> and a computer store in one looks funny
<_QZ> kewl but funny
<lar1> :)
<_QZ> anyway
<_QZ> i must sleep
<lar1> ok
<lar1> thanks
<_QZ> read the pent dev man
<lar1> Ya, I will
<_QZ> then read it again
<_QZ> and again, and again
<lar1> :) ok
<_QZ> then read it backwards
<_QZ> :)
<lar1> then I'll read it and _Understand_ it
<lar1> ;)
<_QZ> no that will take several more readings :)
<lar1> Oh, ok
<_QZ> night
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<lar1> Night to the logs.... see ya marrow!!!
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<yery> hello, KeLp
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<lar1> TRIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
04:50pm
<lar1> nny
<lar1> <_QZ> kewl but funny
<lar1> Ooops
05:50pm
<lar1> Hey _QZ... are you there?
06:00pm
<_QZ> ya
06:20pm
<lar1> My network is not working... can you help with it?
<_QZ> your network?
<lar1> Yes
<lar1> Of 3 computers
<_QZ> no power to the hub?
<lar1> The hub is powered
<lar1> It works in windoez
<_QZ> what does
<lar1> But my fileserver insists it can't reach the network(then again it never has been able too in linux)
<lar1> the network
<_QZ> u might wanna explain yer setup 
<_QZ> in detail
<lar1> Ok
<lar1> Brands of every thing too?
<_QZ> ya
<_QZ> just dump all u can think of to the channel while i go start some laundry
<lar1> Ok, I have 1 PCI Lynksis 10Mbit card connected via cat 5 cable to my Linksys hub, this computer can access the network in win
<lar1> Then I have my laptop connected to the same hub via Sohoware PCMICA 10Mbit card and cat 5 cable
<lar1> that computer can reach the network running win or linux
<lar1> then I have the fileserver that has never been able to reach the network, connected with an ISA Linksys 10MBit card to my hub via cat 5
07:00pm
<lar1> In windows, the Fileserver did reach the network just fine, so the card works
<lar1> I run 'modprobe ne io=0x240'
<lar1> and the module loads
<lar1> then I run 'ifconfig eth0 192.168.10.3 up'
<lar1> after I can type just 'ifconfig' and eth0 is reported as 192.168.10.3
<lar1> but if I do 'ping 192.168.10.3' or ping 192.168.10.1 (my Laptop) is says the network is unreachable
<lar1> The little activity light on my hub is not flashing for the Fileserver either
<lar1> And thats about all I can think of so I'll wait for you to finish you laundry now
07:10pm
<_QZ> ok
<lar1> cool
<_QZ> .1 is the linux/win laptop, .2 is the whatever winbox, and .3 is the linux fileserver
<lar1> yes
<_QZ> and yer on which one right now?
<lar1> The laptop
<lar1> in win
<_QZ> is that the gateway?
<lar1> No, the file server will become the gateway
<lar1> that is the idea
<_QZ> so u just need to get the laptop working in linux and hte fileserver working right?
<lar1> the laptop works... just not the fileserver
<_QZ> can u make the fileserver dialup?
<lar1> Havent tryed yet... I am trying to get networking done first
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<lar1> Hey malificus!
<_QZ> sup mal
<malificus> hello
07:20pm
<_QZ> show me the ifconfig for the eth0 on the fileserver
<lar1> Just typing ifconfig?
<_QZ> ya
<_QZ> and the route
<_QZ> u did setup a route right?
<lar1> eth0 Link encap: 
<lar1> Ethernet
<lar1> HWaddr 00:40:05:2b:a4:22
<lar1> inet addr: 192.168.10.3 bcast 192.168.10.225
<lar1> mask 225.225.225.0
<_QZ> 225??
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<_QZ> should be 255
<lar1> Oh shit!
<lar1> Hehehe
<lar1> Let me check that wasn't a typo
<_QZ> do u have a static ip subnet?
<_QZ> or do u plan to use ip masq?
<lar1> ip masq
<lar1> it is 255.255.255.0
<_QZ> and is the bcast also a .255?
<lar1> yah
<_QZ> is 192.168.10.* an unused class C?
<lar1> I think so
<_QZ> 10.0.0.* is easier to remember
<_QZ> or 190.0.0.*
<lar1> Ah, I'v used 192.160.10.* for awhile now...
<_QZ> ok
<_QZ> ok keep reading the ifconfig
<lar1> MTU: 1500 Metric:1
<_QZ> uhh
<_QZ> doesnt it say anything before that
<_QZ> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
<lar1> Yah, that is what it says
<_QZ> ok no read the route info
<lar1> RX Packets: 311 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
<_QZ> no
<_QZ> the route
<lar1> Where do I find that?
<_QZ> type 'route'
<lar1> ook
<lar1> Hey!  my 192.168.10.3 is totally not in there!
07:30pm
<lar1> 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 3 lo
<lar1> is the only entry in the table
<_QZ> hehe
<_QZ> route add -net 207.173.21.168 netmask 255.255.255.248 dev eth0
<lar1> Whats that do?
<_QZ> replace my .168 ip with yer .3 ip and make the .248 .0
<lar1> ok
<lar1> I get it
<_QZ> now yer other machines need to have the following
<_QZ> route add -net borg netmask 255.255.255.255 dev eth0
<_QZ> route add -net default gw borg dev eth0
<_QZ> route add -net 207.173.21.168 netmask 255.255.255.248 dev eth0
<_QZ> but replace borg with the .3 ip
<lar1> so I type add -net 192.168.10.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0 on the fileserver
<_QZ> route add ..
<lar1> ok
<_QZ> oops
<lar1> netmask doesn't match route address
<_QZ> .168 is my network address
<lar1> I typed route add -net 192.168.10.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0 and it said netmask doesn't match route address
<_QZ> it should be .255
<_QZ> 192.168.10.255
<_QZ> i think
<lar1> ok
<lar1> route add -net 192.168.10.255 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0 , same error
<_QZ> .0?
<lar1> that worked
<_QZ> what does route say
<lar1> My ping works
<_QZ> ok
<_QZ> on the other linux machines u need those other 2 route lines
<_QZ> so they will use the fileserver as the gateway for all internet traffic
<_QZ> and ppp will setup its own route entries
<lar1> Ok
<_QZ> do u know howto setup ppp?
<lar1> Ya
<_QZ> wht do u use?
<lar1> pppd and chat
<_QZ> i found that pppd and dcon works the best
<_QZ> and is damn easy to install
<lar1> dcon?
07:40pm
<_QZ> its really kewl
<lar1> Are those 2 routing lines gonna be in the ipmasq hoto?
<_QZ> it asks a bunch of questions and builds a ppp script for u
<_QZ> dcon is a chat replacement
<lar1> Very cool!  Does it involve X?
<_QZ> nope
<_QZ> i think i got it from sunsite
<lar1> Good... my Fileserver is at VGA 640x480... everything looks like shit
<_QZ> hehe my server doesnt have X
<lar1> Ok... just a sec I'll dl it
<_QZ> it has the X libs so it can serve X apps to this box but it only hasa 256k vga card
<lar1> Umm, if I just add those 2 lines to my other puters... will ipmasq work or do I still need to do all the stuff in the howto?
<lar1> Yah, mine has a WHOLE 512k.. :)
<_QZ> should work
<lar1> I don't have to dance in front of the screen and do a sacrafice to the holy ipmasq gods?
<_QZ> :)
<_QZ> ip masq is easy
<_QZ> i use to use it
<_QZ> until i got my static ip subnet
<lar1> Grumble... I want a static ip!!
<lar1> How much do those go for nowa days?
<_QZ> i pay $30/mo for 6 of them
<lar1> So $5/mo for one???
<_QZ> dunno
<_QZ> i dont just have one, i have a subnet
<lar1> How many computers do you have on your network?
07:50pm
<lar1> I can't find it on sunsite... too many files!!!
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<_QZ> 8
<_QZ> 3 dont have ips, and the 6th static ip is for my dialup line
08:00pm
<lar1> You have a mini-isp!
<lar1> What do you do that you need all that?
<_QZ> no
<_QZ> the dialup line is for me and a few friends
<lar1> I cant find dcon
<_QZ> hmm, ok so its not on sunsite
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<lar1> I've looked at sunsite, done a metacraweler and a ftpsearch
<lar1> Hey Kor
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<lar1> hi dino
<dino> hellos
<_QZ> well i just did an lsm search on sunsite
<lar1> lsm?
<_QZ> http://www.boutell.com/lsm/lsmbykey.cgi
<lar1> can u send me dcon?
<_QZ> i remember that i got dcon from some site
<lar1> heh
<_QZ> cuz i had to answer some questions and it built the tar file
<_QZ> or maybe that was some other program
<lar1> Uhhhh, mabye I should just use chat?
<_QZ> ok found it
<lar1> Cool
<lar1> Whered ya find it?
08:10pm
<lar1> BBL - testing out pppd on other machine
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