IRC log started Sat Jan 30 00:00:00 1999
[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0130
<Fare> gakuk
02:30am
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<iStormy> hi
<iStormy> eland.nerd-herd.net looked at my web page 2000 times last night...
08:30am
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<iStormy> hi smkl
<smkl> hello
09:30am
<smkl> http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~ross/notes/ArrowsInHaskell.html
10:10am
<iStormy> looks complicated
10:20am
<smkl> i haven't looked it yet
10:30am
π iStormy/#Tunes wonders what reflective means...fare insults anything that isn't reflective
<smkl> reflective system can metaprogram itself
<iStormy> and metaprogram itself means...
<smkl> and Fare insults everything
<iStormy> yes, i've noticed that  (c;
<iStormy> i don't truly like any os or language i've ever used either  (c:
<iStormy> python and freebsd are pretty good, but neither is my dream
<smkl> well, metaobject protocol is a simple example of reflection
10:40am
<smkl> TUNES might have arrow based reflection, but not many understand anything about it
π iStormy/#Tunes doesn't understand anything on the tunes site.  (c;
10:50am
<Fare> gakuk
<Fare> iS: not insult
<Fare> iS: reflection is only one aspect of things, that I require
<Fare> iS: but it is also the one that I can find nowhere
<abi> okay, Fare.
<Fare> abi: iS but it?
<Fare> abi: iS: but it?
<Fare> abi: reflection?
<abi> it has been said that reflection is only one aspect of things, that I require
<Fare> abi: forget reflection
<abi> Fare: I forgot reflection
<iStormy> did you write abi or is it on the net somewhere?
<Fare> iS: must be somewhere on bespin. If you're a member, look for it there.
<Fare> iS: have you n account on bespin?
<iStormy> no, but i don't need one
<Fare> abi: abi?
<abi> somebody said i was the little girl borg with a big brain or #tunes' personal little whore or an infoslut or gaklosmontic or flurivostuginuous or xyvarestoplik or crapulmaniac or or
11:00am
<smkl> Fare: have you looked at haskell arrows?
11:10am
<Fare> hum
<Fare> smkl: not yet
11:20am
<Fare> hum
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<TMF> good afternoon, gentlemen
<Fare> good evening, folks!
<TMF> just been at Voss, outside Bergen, snowboarding
<TMF> my body hurts
<TMF> alot
<TMF> :)
<iStormy> hi tmf
<TMF> hi
<TMF> ( handslapping - with combos :)
<TMF> ( the radicalness is getting to me, or mabe I'm just tired - and lost my sense of humor :)
11:30am
<TMF> Fare, did you know that TML/TOOL is now interactive?
<TMF> It has a commandline, and welldefined reading and writing to file!
<TMF> "welldefined", but more importantly, transparent.
11:50am
π iStormy/#Tunes growls...html sucks.
<iStormy> ------|-
<iStormy>       |
<iStormy> oops, can't draw on irc, it takes out spaces
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<iStormy> hi
<abi> hey, iStormy
12:30pm
<smkl> ick
<Yery> hi ppl
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12:40pm
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π Fare/#Tunes is back
<iStormy> 86% of my page visitors use a 4.0 browser...style-sheets with positioning it is...
<Fare> 4.0 ?
<iStormy> netscape 4.0+ or msie 4.0+
<Fare> lynx 4.0+ ?
<Fare> abi: lynx?
<abi> wish i knew, fare
<iStormy> 1% use lynx
π iStormy/#Tunes checks his older logs for a larger sampling.
<Fare> I ain't got the latest lynx yet
<iStormy> lessee, 41,962 hits total...
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<iStormy> 55% use netscape, 44% use msie, 0.1% use lynx
<iStormy> 83% used style-script capable browsers
<iStormy> with positioning
01:20pm
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<iStormy> hy
01:30pm
<Yery> hi
<abi> salut, Yery
<Fare> gakuk
<Yery> Fare: salam
<Fare> hum. How to say "hello" in russin?
<Yery> Fare: privet
<Yery> no. preevet :)
<Fare> preevet!
<Yery> salam :)
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01:40pm
<iStormy> dobree dyain
π iStormy/#Tunes took Russian in high school...doesn't remember any of it.
π Yery/#tunes #guile yes, nm is from binutils
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01:50pm
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<Fare> preevet!
<Yery> dobory nochi :)  it 12:51AM here
<iStormy> i never learned good morning  (c;
<iStormy> just good afternoon
<Yery> and what do you think about actors?
02:00pm
<Fare> great thing
<Fare> nd now has a formal model -- the join calculus
<Fare> (see para.inria.fr)
<Yery> sloow :(
<Yery> what is nd?
<Yery> Join-calculus is not about actors
02:10pm
<Fare> s/nd/and/
<Fare> Join-calculus IS about actors
<Fare> it's  formalization of it
<Yery> and how?
<Fare> It wasn't originally intended as such, but the uthors realized it quite was
π Yery/#tunes is not familiar with Caml
<Fare> every let ... in statement is an actor
<Yery> every?  that's not always good
π iStormy/#Tunes sadly decides he probably shouldn't steal the back/foreground colors from another os page.
<iStormy> but they're so nice....i even use it in my rxvts
<Fare> "state" can be expressed as a linear kind of messages targetted at that actor
<Fare> why "not lways good"???
<Fare> it's the model. Doesn't mean it's inefficiently implemented
<Fare> jocaml looks fairly efficient, for instance
<Yery> because you don't want every function to be reevaled each time something changes
<Fare> uh???
<Fare> whaddyamean?
<Fare> why would functions need to be "reevaled" anymore than in any language?
02:30pm
<Fare> brb
<Yery> that's what actors do.  actor establishes some environment, and when other calls change any variable in that env., the actor is re-evaluated
<Fare> "actor reevluated" == "state changed"
<Fare> doesn't mean code must be compiled at runtime or such horror
<Fare> don't be afraid of words
<Yery> a-a.  actor can itself change the state
<Fare> "actor reevaluated" == "state changed" == "message received"
<Yery> while re-evaled
<Yery> how do you send a message?
02:40pm
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<Fare> message m is sent as m
<Fare> it is received when in the lhs of a let sttement
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<Yery> and what then happens?
<Fare> I guess it's easier for both of us that you read the articles on para.inria.fr
<Yery> Fare: :)  I don't know CAML 
<Yery> and netscape cannot load this page.  it's too long
03:30pm
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<Yery> hi binEng
<binEng> hi
<abi> que tal, binEng
<binEng> hm, have I met you before?
<Yery> binEng: maybe :)
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<Fare> hum
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04:10pm
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<iStormy> hilo
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05:30pm
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<iStormy> hi hcf
<hcf> hoy iStormy
06:20pm
<hcf> iStormy: whats ur page's hit counter say now? ;)
<iStormy> it says 75
<hcf> last i checked, it said 2000
<iStormy> unless someone made a script to hit my page every 4 seconds for a few hours, how could that be  dc:
<hcf> "This page has served 746 visitors"
<iStormy> This page has served 75 visitors, and was last updated Saturday, January 30, at 03:44PM.
<iStormy> you need to clear your cache?
<iStormy> there ya go
<hcf> when u gonna put up some content?
<iStormy> when i'm happy with the design
<iStormy> i'm learning style sheets at the moment
<iStormy> does opera do style sheets?  you should see a mint green background if it does
<iStormy> and the word "test" will be in the middleish of the screen
<hcf> a newer ver of opera than i hav will handle style sheets
06:30pm
π iStormy/#Tunes hates html tables.
<iStormy> specially when you wanna line up graphics within the tables...
06:40pm
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<Kor> hi
<abi> hola, Kor
08:10pm
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<Kor> has neone else checked out OSKit 0.97?
<Kor> fine :P
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[msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.0131
IRC log ended Sun Jan 31 00:00:00 1999